I felt bad for poor Kovu too, he really wanted to see Kiara again, at least he was the only one smart enough to stay away when he saw Kion was going to use the roar. LOL I can't get over Zira's "Oh crap" face whe she realized what was comming to them XD. And yes, Kion is the main character, he's supose to win, people specting him to lose at the end is silly. Hurray for more facts about the outlanders' exile, but some will still say we hate Kopa just for pointing out that.
But of course, the kopa cult is always going to say that. Because lion Jesus died for our sins. He is the one true good.
After seeing people's reaction to the ending of "Lions of the Outlands" and everyone being disappointed that Kion defeated Zira. I feel I'm in the minority for being the only one who enjoy that scene, it's my favorite besides "Lions Over All", I just find it really funny. Seeing a threatening villian like Zira and her lionesses being blown away like that, and then Kovu running after them calling for his mother, it's just priceless XD
I thought it was silly too! I felt bad for Kovu tho. But people underestimate what the Roar of the Elders is capable of and seem to forget that the lion guard centers around Kion, not Zira. It was great that they finally gave us answers as to why Zira was exiled. Nuking the murdering Kopa theory sky high.
Yep, he made history repeat again, although knowing Scar, he probably didn't care much about Nuka's feelings, especially if he wasn't even his son. I don't think he hated Nuka, he was probably just indiferent to him, but as soon as Kovu was born, Scar may have seen some paralels to his own relationship with his brother and marked Nuka's older brother status at that point as a flaw (in his twisted mind, that is), and favored Kovu. And Nuka, not knowing about Scar's resentment (1/2)
(2/2) thought the reason he wasn’t chosen was because he wasn’t good enough to be a king. Something I like about this, is that it gave Scar a genuine flaw. All previous second born royal cubs before him, faced the same reality of not having the birth right to rule, and although that is a bit unfair, they all accepted their place, including Kion (who I have no doubt, will never be like Scar). Giving him abusive parents, only seems like wanting to justify his actions, which I think is wrong.
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I don’t think Scar was empathic enough to care about Nuka or any cub considering how much he didn’t care about his own nephew. And what emotion he showed around young Simba, it was forced.
As for Kion? I think he was happy that he wasn’t going to be king because if you stop to think what that status demands of the ruler, it’s tiring. So that would explain why he was happy not to be king. I dunno if other second born cubs before him (Besides Scar) was the same way but I would imagine as you’ve said, they’d accept their role in the circle of life.
Agreed. The abusive parents trope is really cliche and over done. I would imagine his parents showed him the same love Mufasa received but him being an impulsive and convincing liar, he could make it seem like he was never loved. He probably suffers USI.
Yeah, so sad, poor Nuka. If you wanna hear my take, I see Scar with a youngest sibling inferiority complex, I think after he discovered Mufasa was destined to be king just for being the first born, Scar resented it, and when he began his role as the guard, he took it as an oportunity to demostrate how good of a leader he can be. And he did, only for his parents to refuse making him king, despite being impressed with his job protecting the kingdom, not because they didn't love their son (1/2)
(2/2) or think he wasn’t good enough, but because they firmly believed tradition must be respected, and at that point, Mufasa have received more proper training in ruling than Scar, due to the later being busy with his own duties. After that, Scar became furious and start plotting to overthrow Mufasa with the help of the guard, and we all know what happened next. In his eyes, Scar was never going to be seen as the best, no matter how good he was, as long as he has an older brother first in line.
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From this fanon it sounds like (If Nuka were Scar’s son) Scar might’ve passed this feeling down to his eldest inadvertently.
About Zira's line, I find it interesting that she clearly stated that Kovu was the last born, as she could have simply said that he was born before the exile. I think it give us the idea that Scar was rebellious towards his family traditions and wanted to demostrate, after his failed attempt to overthrown Mufasa using his Guard, that the youngest sibling can be a better ruler. Weird as it may sound, maybe young Nuka reminded him of Mufasa in some way, especially when interacting with baby Kovu.
Possibly. Only for Scar to inadvertently curse the oldest with the same thing he hated. That’s why Nuka did his best to get Zira’s attention and subsequently lost his life trying to please her and prove to her his worth. In the extended deleted scene of his last death he stated he finally got her attention https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POiuesibKH4
To be really honest this kinda ties it all in.
I may be wrong, but I firmly believed that Nuka, Vitani and Kovu are full siblings, cubs of Zira with an unknown male. After they changed Scar as the father to avoid incest, I thought the blood relation among the sibling was kept intact, so they retconned the father for all three of them. Usually, in movies with kids as their main target audience, they want to keep things simple, if two characters are refered to as siblings, unless otherwise stated, we are to assume they share both parents (1/2)
(2/2) And as for why Scar chose Kovu over Nuka, I was always under the impresion that Scar strongly resented Mufasa for being future king just because he was the oldest brother and not a better reason. So he went against tradition and picked the youngest sibling instead. Nuka being scrawny and weak only adding fuel to his decision but not as the main reason. I like fan theories that gives them different parents to make it more interesting and fun, but it’s hard for me to believe it to be canon.
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That’s a good view on the situation actually. I also like that logic behind Scar. Especially since Zira stated in a deleted scene that Kovu was the last of the cubs born under Scar’s rule before Simba came along.
Many people have been going with the idea of Fluffy being Kion instead of Kiara. While I think the idea is nice and fitting, I think Disney so far has not retconned the identity of the cub, at least to me, for two reasons. One, last year at the D23 expo, when they were talking about ROTR, one of the producers mentioned Rafiki presenting the cub as the next king or queen, then asking what happens to the second born. This to me, implies that only the heir is presented to the kingdom. (1/2)
(2/2) The other reason is that the first movie is about ruling a kingdom, it begins with the birth of the future ruler and ends with the birth of the next one. It would be a little weird to suddently retcon it to end with the birth of the second cub and leader of the Guard, specially when the existance of a lion guard is not even mentioned in that movie, for obvious reasons, but still, seems a little off for the theme of the first movie. I’m not against the idea, though, but what do you think?
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They retconned the cub(fluffy) to be Kiara in the beginning of the sequel and in the end of all the TLK I story books. The only time you’re going to find mention of Simba’s cub at the end being (Fluffy) would be books published pre Simba’s Pride. But considering that the time of day is horrendously different from the time they present Kiara in the sequel to the time they present (her) in the end of TLK I is why many of us think that the cub in the end of TLK I is Kion due to time of day differences. Plus I’m fairly sure the second cub would’ve been introduced too, especially if they’re to take up the throne when the heir can’t. I am aware that TLK I intentioned for Simba to have a male cub (IE the original scripts) but SP itself retconned Fluffy. There’s a lot of retconning going on in the TLK universe haha!
I agree, I can also see Janja changing his views and becoming an ally or even a friend to Kion, but yeah, a smooch fest? no thanks XD
Yea I’ll be happy to friendSHIP. But sexualized shipping? Not unless it was robots.
Don't you find it funny how some fans are soooo into a ship to the point of being upset by the canon representation of those characters? I'm talking about the JanjaXJasiri shippers. Want to make them angry? just draw Janja and Jasiri acting exactly like they did in TLG, you know, as enemies = Bingo! Seriously, I would never understand why people love to ship rivals/enemies, it makes little sense to me that one character would fall in love with another that tried to kill her.
It’s one thing to ship something you like. It’s another to make a complete ASS of yourself and cramming your OTP into other people’s throats. Sorry but there are a LOT of NOTPs for me in the Lion Guard. I’ll admit, I like the idea of Kion and Janja being friends, or forming a friendship. But it’s never gunna happen and it’s never gunna be a smooch fest.
