You're not embarrassed being an old woman and being in tumblr? I would rather die that my grannies have an actual account on tumblr for celebrities rho
Why would I be embarrassed for having interests I enjoy? My guess is that you’re really, really young. And that maybe you don’t actually have solid relationships with adults who have lives outside of parenting or work. But I hope for you that when you’re my age you have hobbies that bring you happiness. And that by that point you realize that trying to shame someone for being an adult only makes you look too immature to be in adult spaces, which Tumblr is.
When I was 20, I loved music, making art, writing and reading good stories, fashion, talking about popular culture, making friends, going to concerts… You’d be surprised how little changes when you’re my age. I just have way more money and time to enjoy those things now. I’m only 55. I’m not dead. I’m also not a “granny”, but even if I was, I’d probably still like all of those things.
Ageism isn’t cute, love. And I sure don’t ever see people telling men they shouldn’t go to football games or have their little “fantasy football leagues” or wear their favorite player’s merch. For every comment you guys like to say is misogynistic (but isn’t), this is one that really reeks of it.
What she said. ^^^
I am well over 60, I have been in fandom since I was 12, one way or another, and I ain’t leaving. And misogyny is never attractive.
I’ll be 60 soon and ha ha ha I’m in fandom forever.
(Enjoy your time with other children anon. And I promise you, they’re not creating all the content you love.)
Just turned 70 this last May.
I am a fan. I’ve been a fan of one or another book series, TV show or comic since I was eight. I’ve been in organized, convention-going and print-based fandoms since I was old enough to vote. My generation invented online fandoms, and I’ve been in them from almost the very beginning of online. I’ve been on CompuServe and AOL and LiveJournal and the other earliest platforms where fandom congregated: Tumblr’s merely one of the newer ones.
If some adorable, entitled, wet-behind-the-ears wee nonny thinks they’re going to roll up and have a little self-righteous fun shaming some senior Tumblrina into buggering off of here because she’s An Old—and should therefore (by their way of thinking) be embarrassed for enjoying the manifestation of her continuing passion for the best in media along with others, in long-standing community— Well, they’ve got another think coming.
…And oh yeah: You don’t like it? Then just get off our lawn, sweetiecakes. We were here long before you were, and (if you’re so easily embarrassed) we’ll still be here long after you’re gone. :)
This post has been live for 19 hours, and they’re not pulling in nearly enough attention, I assume because everyone’s so fucking exhausted by the shit with CSP happening just last week.
I cannot stress enough: ADOBE IS THE IMPORTANT TARGET. Way more important than Clip Studio.
They set industry standards. They can force changes like this without giving a fuck about individual customers, because by and large their products are licensed hand over fist by everyone in the entertainment industry.
This is absolutely the time to mob the shit out of Adobe’s mentions.
re the ai art thing: there are absolutely some shitty things going on with ai art at the moment, but i feel like this whole thing would benefit from more clarity on the bad actors involved so that arguments could be meaningfully directed at them instead of the nebulous concept of "ai art". i suspect elon musk's name is being used as a buzzword here - while he was one of many founders of openai, he resigned from the company before things like gpt and dall-e even came into existence, so i find posts that talk as though he's still actively involved to be suspect. second, it's entirely possible for an ai art generator to create something thats no more derivative of existing work than a human using it as inspiration. i agree it's still not 100% ethically pure, but at that point it sort of becomes a philosophical debate, not a practical one. a lot of ai art bots DO use significant parts of work, though, and the medical photo story would be horrifying even if ai art wasn't involved - these are specific bad actors, specific people who put private photos into the public domain, specific people who don't do the due diligence in making sure their model doesn't violate the copyright and forgery boundaries we already have in place, specific users who choose to generate derivative art for unethical purposes, and aiming this very justified anger at them is likely to bring about a lot more positive change.
No, Elon Musk’s name is being used because he has a very long and very loud history of thinking he shouldn’t need to credit artists or writers and that he should be able to use anything in any way he wants and people should be grateful that he did. That context is very important when talking about the intention behind the Tech Bro Collage Machine.
Second, no. It is not possible for an AI to create anything that isn’t 100% derivative. There are a few reasons for this:
“AI,” that is, actual artificial intelligence, does not exist. This is not nitpicking terminology, this is extremely important and crucial. What we are talking about isn’t a brain. It doesn’t think. It doesn’t create. It cannot create. We may wish to think that it can create - humans love to wonder and we love to anthropomorphize everything, but no. Calling it “AI” is a branding decision, and propaganda. It isn’t fact. AI doesn’t create anything, first of all, because AI doesn’t exist.
Tech-Bros Discover Collages™️ is a program. An algorithm. It does not create any more than a paint mixer creates purple paint when the Home Depot worker puts red and blue paint into a can and loads it into the paint mixer. All it can do it take what it is given and smash it together over and over and over again. And that is - in a very simplistic but also very real way - all that TBDCs do.
I’m very sorry, but androids do not yet dream of electric sheep, computers don’t think, and comparing the pixel output of a machine that’s just as likely to barf put a man with three fingers growing out of his cheek as it is a “masterpiece” that, if you unfocus your eyes and ignore the watermark artifacts and look past the weird smeary edges and all of the other tells, almost looks kinda like it’s not AI art to the output of an actual working artist is absolutely facile. I genuinely cannot believe that people are actually making this argument. Like, I really can’t. No, the computer isn’t thinking and it can’t actually create anything. You’re playing with an extremely complicated kaleidoscope loaded with millions of dollars worth of stolen art, intended to help billionaires further defraud everyone else by replacing artists with digital garbage. That’s it. That’s all. It is nothing more. It cannot be anything more.
I really do wonder what people think is going to happen, here. Do y'all really think this is going to do anything but make it impossible for small artists to make money?
People are already selling “prompts lists” on Etsy as if that is original art, which it is not. People who have gotten really good at playing with the kaleidoscope have gone on long huffy rants about how they shouldn’t have to reveal their prompts because they put work into coming up with that specific prompts list… all written without a shred of self-awareness or realization of irony.
I genuinely don’t want the answer, here, because as a working artist, I am really exhausted of people trying to defend the destruction of the livelihood I’ve poured myself into, and the destruction of my friends’ livelihoods, too, but I want you to ask yourself (quietly, in your head, and if you want to post about it, do it on your blog, don’t put it here) what you think the end result of all of this is going to be.
Do you think this is going to result in some grand new wave of art democratization? It will not. Do you think computers can really create? They cannot. Or do you think instead this is going to lead to a lot of artists no longer being able to find sufficient work as the Fiverr/Uber/Amazonification of everything combined with AI art means that a lot of the meat-and-potatoes commissions and art jobs dry up, because why would you pay someone $100 to draw you a really original picture of your OC with their hours of labor and years of experience when you can get Midjourney to make you one in minutes ✨️for free✨️?
While y'all are busy talking about how computers are doing something not at all different from the human mind (lol), you’re hammering the livelihood of a lot of people into the ground, duped by the same people currently burning Twitter to the ground, lighting piles of money on fire as crypto, and minting NFTs. This is just the next thing in a long line of tech bro scams.
Stop falling for it. You’re fucking shit up and I’m tired.
friendly reminder that ai is not an automatic collage machine, and is not the devil, and i am sick of the fearmongering
i would give my writing an ai, i dont care, because i know how it actually works and knows that it doesnt fucking matter.
Unfriendly fucking reminder that AI is a copyright violating machine, that the original AI projects were funded by Elon Fucking Musk because he does not see value in the work of artists, and that AIs have problems with constantly putting signatures and watermarks back into art
BECAUSE THEY’RE TRAINED ON SO MUCH STOLEN, COPYRIGHT-VIOLATING ART.
Implying that those of us who have moral objections to AI art (and writing) are “fearmongering” or that we just don’t know what we’re talking about ignores the very very blatant art theft occurring.
But no, AI art doesn’t steal! That’s why it’s totally not reproducing watermarks here!
Or here!
Or signatures and copyright lines in all of these!
When you feed the AI which is BASED ON STOLEN ART, you are telling thieves that you’re cool with art being stolen as long as you get something temporary, free and momentarily cool.
Writing aid AI’s are being fed Ao3 data. You know, monetized tools are using Transformative Works that have faced Copyright Lawsuits just to exist on the internet? And WITHOUT THE AUTHORS’ CONSENT????
Link, please.
Do you know how AI brain math works compared to how your own brain physics works? Do you, as an author of transformative work, know how you sound when you pearl clutching about a computer making transformative work?
You sound like Anne Rice.
The original artists complaining that Deviant art isn’t being fast enough at rolling out a useful blocking feature once they noticed a scraping problem, they sound like they don’t understand how web-development works, but I don’t think their ethics are as tied in knots as yours are.
Do I, as an author of both original and transformative work, want transformative work to be made from my work?
Hell yes. Part of the fun of fanfiction is the conversation over decades between authors suggesting how the pieces of the plot ought to most optimally be fit together. If AIs eventually become able to join that conversation, I’m alright with that.
Am I also aware that 80% of everything that humans do is crap? Sadly, yes. Do I think that percentage is currently higher for AI? yes. Do I think that it might change? Possibly, who the hell knows, there might be an eye-of-the-beholder / taste-of-the-consumer upper bound thing on how far that percentage can be pushed.
I mean you start out with an ad hominem argument and go on from there, so you must be arguing in good faith!
The fact that you are comparing a transfomative work made by a fucking human being to the art equivalent of fucking word salad made by a computer should be a clue that you are talking out of your ass and that literally nothing else you have to say means anything but again:
THE VAST MAJORITY OF WORKS THAT THIS FANCY COLLAGE MACHINE IS TRAINED ON ARE STOLEN. You see, unlike fanfic…
THIS SUPER COOL KALEIDOSCOPE IS BEING USED FOR PROFIT.
There is literally nothing here to compare to transformative works. Literally, nothing. This is theft for profit. Lensa charges a monthly fee. Midjourney charges for extra prompts or whatever, I know they charge for something but I cannot be fucking bothered to go and look. People are using algorithmic art on professional projects – DriveThruRPG just made a rule that if you release a book with any algorithmic art, you have to declare it, because oh ho ho, it’s already been used in for-profit work.
So this idea that this massive artistic theft for profit is in any way comparable to fan art or fanfic is fucking facile & jejune on its face and you should be embarrassed for making it.
Normally I don’t do this, but this one’s a big issue in the base community. This snowflake seems to think as long as they credit their source they can turn anything they find into a base without proper permission, then goes on demanding “No mean or negative comments.” I politely told them that making bases out of people’s artwork without written permission is art theft and frowned upon, they would rather block and hide the issue than change their attitude towards hard working artists.
They’ve stolen from a lot of artists from here and on deviantART. At least they made it easy to find the original source.
Hating on m/f ships does not make you “progressive”.
Hating on people who ship boys and girls just because it’s not gay does not make you “better”.
If, let’s say, a boy character who showed interest in both boys and girls, ends up with a girl, it’s not called “hetero bullshit”.
If, let’s say, a trans woman character ends up with a guy, nobody has the right to say “this character does not belong in the community because she’s straight”.
Bi, pan, ace and trans people exist in the lgbt community.
The lgbt community is not a club for gay people only.
It’s possible to be gay and still be biphobic, panphobic, acephobic and transphobic.
This is appearently considered controversial by some people so please reblog if you agree!
But like if you build your identity on what or who you hate, who even are you? What does that make you? Do you even know?
Because there’s no substance to it, at the end of the day. You will not reach enlightenment or solve all of your problems by suppressing or even eliminating those groups of people.
I’m not saying you can’t dislike or even hate certain ideas or people, particularly if they are a cause of great suffering in your life.
But if your main identity is defined by who you hate, then you are ironically enough defined by those very ideas or people. Without them, you have nothing. You are nothing. There is no substance to you. Who even are you anymore? No one knows. Certainly not you.
Build something positive.
Be your own light, rather than someone else’s darkness.
Stole artwork from an artist who passed away recently out of spite and insulted the dead, clearly doesn’t care what he’s doing.
The quote retweeter missed the point where OP was talking about someone else’s ART. As in art fixing. Their outburst makes them sound like they’re okay with people fixing other people’s art without consent.
Fixing art is still art theft with extra steps. They’re taking people’s art and editing it to their preferences then throwing it back at them with an insult.
It’s one thing to edit screenshots. Screenshots are fair use and public domain. Go for it, have a blast. They can be a nice stress reliever. But fixing someone else’s hard work without their consent is still art theft. And telling them something like “Fixed your shit” makes you the asshole.
Remember, just because they put it out there doesn’t mean it’s fair use or public domain. If you want to use something from a content creator, ask them if it’s okay. You’ll never know until you try.
I’m starting to find evidence on twitter of antis encouraging each other to shun friends and family for not being one of them and I am deeply concerned. This is some cult shit.
“should I shun my friend for being proship even though they’re my only irl friend?”
“Should I shun my mother for being proship?”
The answer to both of these is GET HELP. You are being brainwashed into thinking that your friends and family are dangerous when you know that they wouldn’t hurt anyone. See a therapist, take some time off the internet, reevaluate your situation. Fiction does not take precedence over your loved ones.
I’m tagging this with “antis please interact” because I think they need to see this too, and hopefully it helps someone. Your loved ones are not dangerous because of their taste in fiction.
It’s really disturbing how we are watching a really unhealthy, purity obsessed minority become way, way too vocal. Are they becoming a majority among young fans, or are they just drowning out the other opinions?
Do these CHILDREN realize they are parroting the conservative “think of the children” dog whistle? Do they not realize that the same irrational fear of fiction negatively affecting reality is the same logic these book banning bigoted assholes are using to justify pulling books with LGBTQ characters? Because they are scared their straight child will become gay from reading a book! Because we all know THAT’S how that works, right?!
If reading books with queer characters doesn’t make you gay, why the fuck would reading a fanfic with an underage character make you a pedophile? Did watching Game of Thrones make everyone suddenly cool with incest? No! Nothing changed!
Maybe these kids are confusing the concept of Representation Matters, where telling minority focused stories can be beneficial for that minority. Except they can’t tell the difference between Watsonian and Doylelist analysis of a story. They can’t differentiate between what the author is saying, what the setting is saying, and what a character is saying. So they think any mention of these “bad” things is bad because clearly it is condoning the behavior! Because video games DEFINITELY made me think murder is okay in real life, so I will definitely start grooming children because I read a teacher/student high school AU!
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